tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17889588.post6407523799718561688..comments2024-03-13T07:14:55.283+01:00Comments on chem-bla-ics: More fails... (aka: no VR grant awarded)Egon Willighagenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07470952136305035540noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17889588.post-43573375901141953642010-12-21T13:40:38.200+01:002010-12-21T13:40:38.200+01:00Hi Yap, yes, annoying indeed! I blogged about your...Hi Yap, yes, annoying indeed! I blogged about your PaDEL paper today, only very briefly, focusing on the Table 2 well done!<br /><br />BTW, I sent an email, and would like to hear how I can help you if you are still interested in contributing your new descriptors into the main library.Egon Willighagenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07470952136305035540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17889588.post-70272150945133295542010-11-25T08:58:56.413+01:002010-11-25T08:58:56.413+01:00You can add my software, PaDEL-Descriptor to your ...You can add my software, <a href="http://padel.nus.edu.sg/software/padeldescriptor/" rel="nofollow">PaDEL-Descriptor</a> to your list of software which depends on CDK. <br /><br />I also recently had a grant rejection. It was a re-submission and I thought I had already addressed all of the previous concerns. Strangely, it was the reviewer who supported my initial submission that killed my re-submission. But oh well, just have to try other grants or think of other projects. <br /><br />Good luck on your next grant submission.Yap Chun Weihttp://padel.nus.edu.sgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17889588.post-74529779656038094512010-11-24T22:17:31.936+01:002010-11-24T22:17:31.936+01:00Hello Egon,
I want you to know that I am a regula...Hello Egon,<br /><br />I want you to know that I am a regular reader of your blog and I really appreciate the work you do for science and for the open source community, despite of what these government institutions say about that.<br />Also, I think that the exact problem you are referring to is now picked up by scientists and, more importantly, by the major publishers. Hopefully, ten years from now we will have something like a Scientist Impact Factor which summarizes our blog, wiki, database curation, nanopublication, programming and publication contributions to science, and we'll see what you get then!<br /><br />Greetings,<br /><br />KeesKees van Bochovehttp://bioinformatics.keesvanbochove.nlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17889588.post-33176386002879921422010-11-23T14:58:08.623+01:002010-11-23T14:58:08.623+01:00Noel, I read in your comments that the system is j...Noel, I read in your comments that the system is just hopelessly broken... everywhere... should we not stand up then, and make a point of wasting money on a system that does not work? Can we even afford this loss of resources in a time like this?<br /><br />I'm not amazed, just greatly disturbed...Egon Willighagenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07470952136305035540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17889588.post-262694382986064482010-11-23T12:15:49.873+01:002010-11-23T12:15:49.873+01:00Sorry to hear, Egon. I know the feeling of course....Sorry to hear, Egon. I know the feeling of course.<br /><br />However, you should not overanalyse the comments or be amazed at them. From what people have told me, in practice reviewers make an overall decision on whether or not to support the grant, and then try to find comments to justify their decision.Noel O'Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03288289351940689018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17889588.post-23691364818705607772010-11-22T13:07:00.239+01:002010-11-22T13:07:00.239+01:00The metabolomics was the biological pitch, and ext...The metabolomics was the biological pitch, and extra stressed in this proposal. But they saw software somewhere and jumped to conclusions...<br /><br />Thanx both for the support!Egon Willighagenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07470952136305035540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17889588.post-90214616644755883612010-11-22T13:04:38.397+01:002010-11-22T13:04:38.397+01:00Egon, thank you for blogging this, it is a soberin...Egon, thank you for blogging this, it is a sobering reminder of what science is like as a career path. Slogging away for 10 years, and then you still have to fight for your right to exist. <br /><br />Although I'm sure you've been very cautious in making some of the review comments public maybe run it past some colleges, to get a sense of balance ? That being said I think transparency is a good rather than bad think here, very helpful for others going through the same process. <br /><br />As for funding tool development, that discussion has been around since I started grad school. Pitch your work in terms of the scientific (biological) question, and your track record answering it. Sneak the tools/infrastructure in through the back-door (advice given to me). Even with growing awareness of the need to fund tool/infrastructure development on an equal basis, evidently that cultural shift still hasn't happened yet. <br /><br />My comments should be considered in light of the fact that I maybe be missing some context here, given the specific grant etc. I'm sure there will be other avenues for securing funding for your work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17889588.post-22556765614210647072010-11-22T11:50:45.232+01:002010-11-22T11:50:45.232+01:00Hi Egon,
depressing indeed, but exactly what we h...Hi Egon,<br /><br />depressing indeed, but exactly what we have discussed so often over beer. There is no recognition in tool and infrastructure development, because "it isn't science". If - whatever your proposal was - was reviewed by chemists, even chemoinformaticians, you have no hope of getting them to understand the process of technology development either (every technology needs to get buy-in and just because buy-in is not assured doesn't mean one shouldn't do it). We both know enough "chemoinformaticians" who build careeers out of pressing the "Dock now" button or spend their lives calculating transition states of inane molecules. Apparently that is science.<br />Had you been in a computer science department or gotten reviewed by a comp sci or engineer, the assessment might have been quite different...but that is a question of pure luck.<br />Bottom line is: the tool developers don't win, the triplifiers don't win, the infrastructure builders don't win (wrong as that often is): you'll only win if you manage to take all of that stuff and apply it to a real "scientific" problem.<br />Apologies for flogging that particular dead horse once again....but the feedback you shared is just another datapoint confirming all that....Nico Adamshttp://www.scimantica.comnoreply@blogger.com